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Title: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Gregory P. Kent on January 03, 2010, 09:28:18 AM
While watching a promo for another group; I noticed they gather in a circle and state the Prayer of St. Michael for protection. I was curious as to other group rituals, which are preformed prior to an investigation.

The prayer of St. Michael seems a little fear based:

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.


What is your ritual prior to an investigation and what do you have to fear when investigating a site?


Gregory P. Kent



Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Barry Brudnak on January 03, 2010, 11:25:37 AM
Hey Gregory,

We really do not have a ritual that we take part in before an investigation. As far as what we fear when investigating, I do not believe that we go into it fearing anything. There has been one case, on a local farm, where we gathered and a member did a little something to gain positive energy. It was more or less to get everyone "psyched" about the night ahead. We are more of a non-religious-based group, so we do not use any prayes or anything.

Barry


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: David Desjardins on January 03, 2010, 01:05:59 PM
We all stop for a coffee and supper first does that count.  Other than that we don't have anything specific related to religious or spiritual protections.  And your right about the St Michaels prayer being a little on the fear based side of things.  But to each their own. What ever helps the individual.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Bonnie Korniak on January 03, 2010, 07:00:30 PM
If a location makes me feel unsettled, it can't hurt....

    The light of God surrounds us
    The love of God enfolds us
    The power of God protects us


Although I think that spirits are around us all the time, I am also sure to thank them for coming forward and tell them when I leave a location that they are not allowed to attach themselves to me or or follow me. Always.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Gregory P. Kent on January 03, 2010, 07:26:34 PM
Good point Bonnie.

I like Barry's idea about having a pep talk before the event.


Gregory


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Philip Osborne on January 04, 2010, 01:17:54 AM
Good Topic!!!  My group does do a prayer.  It is a prayer thanking God for the opportunity of doing an investigation, and a prayer asking for insight and understanding into things unseen.  To me it is more a respect issue.  Respect for respect.  It is not a fear or religious issue. We also have a prayer afterwards. We always meet for coffee before the investigation to set our goals for the investigation, and then we usually have coffee afterwards to get everyone's personal feelings and insights.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Gregory P. Kent on January 04, 2010, 06:19:19 PM
I like the idea of having a meeting before and/or after the investigation. It helps to keep our focus and remember why we are investigating in the first place - brief and debrief if you will. I don't see anything wrong with a prayer, pep talk or just getting together at the site to state your intentions. Some individuals are new to the investigation's and might need to hear some words of "protection" or assurance to ease their minds so they can focus on the task at hand.

Everyone is unique. Do No Harm not only applies to the client and the location, but also to each other. We are a team and we need to appreciate where each member is coming from in life. Hopefully we can grow together on our journey.

GPK


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Grant Rubendunst on January 05, 2010, 02:23:10 PM
I like to pray for a check in my mailbox!


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Vickie Gagnon on January 06, 2010, 11:30:03 AM
I have a kind of unique circumstance with my group.  We are a mix of pagan and christian beliefs so it's kind of hard to do a specific prayer.  The Pagans in the group prefer an herbal smudge prior to entering AND leaving the premises.  The Christians pray.  I've just simply got to the point where we all join hands and invite any spirits present to make themselves known to us and assure them we mean them no harm.  The reason I chose this way is because regardless of the path chosen, we are all still acting on our own personal superstitions, dogmas, etc.  The group on TV that starts each investigation with a prayer to St. Michael are mostly catholic. 

I have a confession.....I always wear a pentagram on investigation (hidden under my clothes usually). Not for defense, but to let anything we deal with know where I stand.

Just curious though, does anyone else do the cleansing after the investigation?  I've felt impressed many times to do so.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Gregory P. Kent on January 06, 2010, 04:42:56 PM
Thanks for your input Vickie. Wow, what a mixed group you have.

I've only done smudging/cleansing if the client asks for it. It's interesting to me that you bring up the Pagan and Christian angles. I'm a Spiritualist minister but have been working at a Wiccan herbal store. I would have never thought I would be working side-by-side with Wiccan's - just my lack of knowledge.

My home investigations brought me to the store in the first place. I was seeing hooded individuals (energy) at different homes in which the homeowners were doing ritualistic activities. So I went to the Wiccan store to ask for assistance and a better understanding what I was seeing. We hit it off and she asked if I would do workshops and readings at the store. So it all worked out. They love it when I do seances. One never knows where they are going to meet their next set of friends.

Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Vickie Gagnon on January 06, 2010, 07:32:48 PM
I do smudging if a situation needs to be addressed.  I make it a habit to bring along a kind of gift pack for the person we were helping.  We helped those who wished to cross over to do so, then if the family/individual requested we would do a cleansing.  The gift pack included sage or sandalwood incense, sacred salt and oil and instructions on how to use them.

I've never spoken with a spiritualist before.  Maybe some time we can chat about stuff.  I would like to get a better understanding of what spiritualism is.



Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Gregory P. Kent on January 07, 2010, 05:48:30 AM
My site:

www.gregorypkent.com (http://www.gregorypkent.com)

My email:

gregory@gregorypkent.com

My Church:

www.chapelofspirituallight.org (http://www.chapelofspirituallight.com)

Feel free to inquire about Spiritualism.

Gregory


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Vickie Gagnon on January 07, 2010, 10:25:58 AM
Thanks Gregory, I will!


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Grant Rubendunst on January 07, 2010, 02:01:28 PM
Without meaning offense to anyone who has contributed to this thread, and playing devil's advocate here.........
what does smudging, praying, actually accomplish if anything? It seems to me that it's sole purpose is to assuage
the individuals fears related to their belief system. I can understanding doing it for the client's benefit if they request it.....
but when will investigators start wearing garlands of garlic, or carry revolvers with silver bullets?

Our methodologies should be scientific or as close to it as possible. Otherwise how can we differentiate ourselves from
the weekend ghostbusters?


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Barry Brudnak on January 07, 2010, 02:30:01 PM
I have to admit that this has all been confusing me as of late...

The science .vs. the other practices (such as smudging)...

I have always gone by whatever everyones individual belief systems were (that is what will make them feel comfortable), but lately I am confused... I understand that the "activty" of smudging and/or "protection" may not be a scientific thing, but at the same time I see the other side of it....

I have alway been scientific, but at what point do I become too scientific? lol

Does this make sense?

P.S. I guess I should mention that we do not smudge or anything else unless it is for the effect of adding to the client's mental process of ejecting anything "negative" (whether that be "for show" or negative energy) out. BUT, I have been reading more on Earth Power and Earth Religion and it is interesting, but it is a belief.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Vickie Gagnon on January 07, 2010, 04:27:15 PM
It isn't a science Barry.  But it has been my own personal experience when working with people who have activity going on in their home that giving them something "solid" to latch on to is important to their state of mind prior to, during and after the process.  I guess it's a form of grounding, like the anchor in a storm so to speak.  

Let me emphasize that I DO NOT flout my paganism.  I've learned to focus on the science of the investigation. I respect the religious beliefs of the household and keep my personal path private. Prayers for protection, smudging, crossing ourselves, and other overt religious behavior is a source of comfort in an uncomfortable situation. I consider it a professional courtesy if nothing else.  As far as cleansings go, or helping spirits cross over, it is still done by request and in a non-denominational way.  Like they say, funerals are for the living, not the dead.  The same rule applies with Prayers for protection or whatever.  What is done is not to give comfort to the dead or spirits that may be there, but to empower those who have to live with them.

Personally, I put my trust in the Lord.  The pentagram I choose to wear is like a sports jersey that identifies what team I'm on.  Do I honestly think it makes a difference?  As a scientist, no. When I enter the location, I am 95% scientist, yet I don't let myself loose site of the fact that I'm dealing with "spirits".  If I don't believe in them, why am I looking for them?


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Doug Kelley on January 07, 2010, 04:48:59 PM
I would like to underscore Grant's comment above:

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It seems to me that it's sole purpose is to assuage the individuals fears related to their belief system.

There is certainly nothing wrong with taking a moment before an investigation to gather your focus and proper mindset. However, by "praying" for protection prior to an investigation or "cleansing" ourselves after implies the belief that spirits can somehow harm you. There is simply no objective proof that spirits can cause any physical harm (other than on TV). Therefore, by promoting such prayers for protection is really tantamount to promoting fear.

As I've often said, I'm afraid a spirit WON'T follow me home. If they did, I could conduct my research in the comfort of my own home rather than elsewhere.

Doug


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Barry Brudnak on January 07, 2010, 05:09:21 PM
I do not know what more to say on this topic.

These are things that our team does not do on a regular basis. Just trying to understand all sides.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Doug Kelley on January 07, 2010, 05:28:20 PM
Hey Barry,

I do not know what more to say on this topic.

These are things that our team does not do on a regular basis. Just trying to understand all sides.

This is just a general discussion of the topic and not directed at you.

Doug


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Barry Brudnak on January 07, 2010, 05:32:32 PM
I know lol that's why I said I don't know what more to say. Wish I could be of help or more insight to other's that have posted.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Ingrid Irwin on January 07, 2010, 06:23:38 PM
Hey all,

I have followed this post with interest and it seems to be a big part of the investigation process for many people. This is a very new topic to me so an intriguing take on human perception, and what is there to fear and not fear?

If it’s any consolation Barry I too have never done a pray, asked for protection or even seen smudging carried out. :dontknow:
I have no prior or post procedures as to be honest I don't believe there is anything to fear, but that is just me personally.  

I record daily at home, under as controlled conditions as I can set in place and recorded 'voices' of an unknown origin.
Colleagues I confer with daily also record in their homes with controls set in place. We are not going out doing investigations or dealing with other people so we don't have to take in the emotional issues of others.

I guess I don't fear or feel a need for protection etc.. as I say 'unknown origin,' and I say that as I do not know what these voices are. There is little 'proof' of origin and could be consciousness of deceased physical people? They could be a PK response from my mind? They could be aspect personalities of me? They could be completely separate living conscious energy streams? They could be a physical conscious being residing within another reality? Are they thought forms of mans consciousness?

I honestly do not know, thus if I do not know the source how can I know its nature?

Barry, I can see what you are saying about at what point do we become too scientific? That does make sense to me as it's a very fine line to walk but that is probably another subject altogether.  
  


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Vickie Gagnon on January 07, 2010, 07:54:49 PM
I bow to more rational minds on the topic.  Doug, if your ever lucky enough to have one follow you home, would you share what you did?  I wish I could shed the spiritual side of my nature totally, but I've many years dealing with it to just shrug it off.  My responses were never intended to offend or seem attack on any one.  I will continue to learn to focus on the science of the field. 


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Barry Brudnak on January 07, 2010, 07:57:54 PM
Vickie,

As Doug said, this is just a genera topic. No offense was taken  ;D



Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Philip Osborne on January 08, 2010, 01:02:35 PM
I feel the spirit of this post is "curiosity" into what others groups and investigators are doing.  Curiosity is what motivates us.  We also learn from each other, and differing opinions make us think. I feel the post was not to address or debunk personal belief systems.  It is a question of, this is what I do, and asks what are you doing?


This is what I have gotten from this post


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Paul Biggs on January 23, 2010, 02:16:12 PM
Personally I feel that If your team has no problem with saying a prayer of protection then do.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Sharon K. West on January 25, 2010, 07:18:41 PM
Here is my take on this subject:

If I'm going out in the woods looking for Bigfoot, I want someone with me who has a gun.

If I see a flying saucer out in the woods, I'm not going to run up to it and touch it. I'm going to take cover or do something to try and protect myself. (Perhaps a gun would be appropriate here, too. LOL)

If I feel as though a cold is coming on, I'm going to take some Vitamin C.

All of the above involve physical things, and most people have no problem with some protection.

In the spiritual world, who among us has exhausted every possibility and can absolutely, positively say that someone is never, ever going to have a problem with a nastie? If we tell people who read this site that they are not going to be hurt ever, what a great responsibility that is! We had better know that for an absolute fact.

I have had experience with some nasties. And this came completely unbeknownst to any of my preconceived ideas or beliefs. I believe it is better to tell people not to play around with this, and when in doubt, get in touch with someone who knows more than they do. The old saying that "fools rush in where angels fear to tread" applies in all areas of life and in particularly, the spiritual realm where we mere humans aren't familiar with all the possibilities.

Now, if a spirit is able to manipulate physical objects, such as throwing books across the room or lighting candles, why wouldn't they be able to do something to a physical body? Certainly people report a feeling of being touched, so spirits are able to exert that much pressure on a physical body at the least. Do we know for certain that they would not do more? Before I had much knowledge in this, I had an experience once where a spirit would have taken me out a window if someone present with me had not known what to do.

I consider that there are two types of paranormal investigators. One is completely scientific and arrives with a myriad of equipment to try and get some hard evidence. I kinda think that any ghosts present would probably not have a clue as to what this investigator is actually doing, especially if an "old" spirit is present, and probably would not be interacting as much personally with them as they would with the second type of paranormal investigator. This is the sensitive who is able to see things and communicate in ways which are recognized by the spirit. The sensitive is actually entering the state of being between worlds and may be more of a threat to a spirit or be uncovering something that a nastie would be angry about. This type of investigator needs to know a few things.

Now, the first type of paranormal investigator's scientific approach may well be a source of protection but he or she has to be careful not to be generating fear energy which some spirits really like to feast upon. A scientific person is generally not going to have much fear unless something really major happens.

I won't go rambling on any further, but just saying that prayer for protection can go along way in disconnecting that which will generate fear energy. A prayer for protection means something differently for those who have experienced the spiritual realm. It actually becomes part of what allows them to enter into the place between worlds tantamount to the Shaman experience.

We must keep an open mind and be balanced.

Sharon


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Robert Taylor on April 02, 2010, 03:58:02 AM
Hi,I just read this topic & would like to comment.... Me & my crew used to say a protection statement before doing our investigations but have recently stopped.
Reason for stopping is because we are looking at the overall believe system. Our full team got togeather & had a discussion & decided that if we are saying a protection statement that we must believe that things can harm us, hence reason for protecting ourselves.

Since joining Paranexus & becoming more professional, we have relised & now belief that the only thing to harm us in terms of ghosts/spirits are ourselfs. If we believe that we are going to get harmed, then we are sycologically thinking it which then we believe is going to make us open to believeing something is harming us but in the true light, there is nothing to harm us except our sycological minds.

Am i actually making sense??    I'm finding it hard to place in words to how our team looks at things & the teams believes!!   

Basically we believe that nothing can harm us in terms of ghosts/spirits so there is no need to do a protection statement. This is just HPGS's way of thinking, as others have said it doesn't do anyone any harm to do one if you feel or believe its right to do one, i guess !!

Take care everyone, Rob - Hull Paranormal Ghost Society


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Doug Kelley on April 02, 2010, 08:19:48 AM
Hey Rob,
Yes, what you are saying makes a lot of sense. I applaud you for this!

Keep up the good work!

Doug


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Ingrid Irwin on April 02, 2010, 05:46:38 PM
Hey Robert,

Yes, what you are saying makes sense to me. I think its great to hear a group actually diving into and exploring their own 'belief systems' and reviewing what works for them. I think this displays an individual or group that is maturing and evolving in a positive way.  :icon_salut:  


  


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Brian Parsons on April 02, 2010, 09:49:16 PM
Wow, I missed a lot. Great topic here and great things that have come up from it. I'm more like Philip and Dave. We meet as a group prior to discuss the case and our tactics of going about it prior to setting foot in the home whether it is a initial walkthrough, interview session, investigation or follow up session. Getting a bite to eat is always a good thing prior to going to anything that you will spend more than a few hours at.

For me personally, I don't feel the need for prayer for an event like this, but will participate if members of the group have a desire to do so. I will do a quick mental check (make sure my worries are put to rest) so my focus is solely on the event at hand and I will take a few moments to meditate or catch some air to help me focus. I also feel it is important to check the mental status of the investigators as well and will ask about their day or how things are going prior to getting to the event to make sure they are focused. I mentioned this on another post once before that an investigator I had been working with had some things going on that kept her from focusing. I told her to write down her worries on a sheet of paper and put them in the car, that way they wouldn't be with her, but they would be waiting when we were done helping our client. As silly as it sounded she took it seriously and it really worked.

Smudging, in my opinion, is part spiritual and part placebo for the client who's belief system refuses to let go of the ghost/spirit that occupies their home. Despite the events that take place some people have a hard time letting go of the spirutual connection and an event such as a cleansing or smudge can convince them that the connection has been severed. It also does have a spiritual effect although it is impossible to figure out which explanation is responsible if the events do cease.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Doug Kelley on April 03, 2010, 12:16:43 PM
Brian,
You have a good, common sense approach. I really like your method of putting one's worries aside by writing them down and disposing of them. This is used in hypnosis and coaching as well.

Doug


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: John Rossi on April 03, 2010, 02:15:35 PM
I think its important to note the value ritual can play in a persons life. If an individuals belief system is such that prayer or other types of ritual are integral component then we must be respectful of it. People use rituals to become more focused or centered. They use it to seek resolution or peace.  As therapist I have taught people methods on how to meditate. I have hypnotized clients as well as taught clients methods to do self hypnosis. If I had been sitting on a mountaintop wearing a long flowing robe you could easily say that I engaged in or taught them rituals. I personally have not been involved in a smudging to cleanse a location. I have however taken clients room by room and have them tell the spirits that "It is my house. You must not bother me. You must leave. ect..". If taking these actions empowers a client and that allows a person to regain a sense of control over the situation or leaves them in a better place then we have helped them. My team is made up of Christians, Pagans, Atheists and everything in between yet we are able to effectively engage our clients because we don't let our beliefs get between us and our client.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Brian Parsons on April 03, 2010, 07:05:06 PM
Great points, John. Respecting the client and the investigator's beliefs and rituals is being a good leader. We conducted a prayer for a client that we did a walk through with recently, we did so after listening to her concerns about what might happen after we left and us asking if she would allow us to pray with her (and already knowing that she was very religious). To be successful as an investigator you should be able to identify symbols of faith and belief and understand and respect the basics behind the rituals that accompany those belief systems.

The point about empowerment is essential as well, I would really like to evaluate a person's self esteem (or them esteem, right Doug?) prior and after an investigation to see if they have become more confident about who they are and their situation. At times I feel more a paranormal counselor than an investigator.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Doug Kelley on April 03, 2010, 11:56:04 PM
Hey Brian,
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The point about empowerment is essential as well, I would really like to evaluate a person's self esteem (or them esteem, right Doug?) prior and after an investigation to see if they have become more confident about who they are and their situation. At times I feel more a paranormal counselor than an investigator.

Amen, brother! Most of the time, our job is to manage belief systems positively.

Doug


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Brian Parsons on April 04, 2010, 12:10:25 PM
You have tought me well, Master Dogu!  :notworthy:


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Grant Rubendunst on April 04, 2010, 01:42:47 PM
Playing Devils advocate here again.........if we smudge and pray with client's who have a firmly entrenched belief system, do we not reinforce that belief system? Would it not be better to give them information about what they can do to cleanse their home/business and let them choose their own option and perform it themselves rather than the investigators performing something akin to mumbo-jumbo.

When we have encountered such individuals or families on investigations and nothing paranormally significant is evident and they are advised of our findings...........they stubbornly cling to their belief system.

I think the best practice is to avoid anything that supports their apprehension and anxiety. As investigators we have to know "when to hold them and when to fold them" on issues such as this especially if we suspect the presence of an intractable belief system.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: John Rossi on April 04, 2010, 02:51:46 PM
A person who has a belief system which which uses smudging, rituals or prayer, may be somewhat offended by seeing it referred to as mumbo-jumbo. Now I don't think Grant was trying to offend anyone. I think it was a abbreviated statement of a complex issue. However we obviously have people who are new to the field reading these forums and I wouldn't want someone to walk away with the idea we were advocating not serving a client because they had a different belief system. In graduate school one of the key ideas taught to us as therapists is "Be where the client is". When a client comes to me I don't expect them to have the same belief system as I do. I would not pull the plug on an investigation unless their belief system and their actions associated with it compromises the effective gathering of information. We all have been on the receiving end of attacks and criticism from close minded religious or main stream scientific people for the work we do. Why do they attack us? Its because we don't believe the things they do. There are not very many things that I know for a fact regarding the Paranormal but I am absolutely certain of the fact that I don't want to be like those people.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Grant Rubendunst on April 04, 2010, 03:40:11 PM
Let me clarify here. I'm a therapist as well John. I also attended graduate school. I have not nor shall I ever advocate that we leave a client high and dry. Be where your client is, is okay for establishing a rapport and being a genuine person. If we stay with where the client is we are stuck just like them, regardless of their belief system. As a therapist we need to give our client's the tools that will empower them and allow them to grow and that goes for the clients we investigate.

You are correct it is a complex issue. I will not retract my mumbo-jumbo statement. Sea salt, amulets, prayers, or talismans only add to the problem especially if we as investigators perform them. What does it say about us as investigators? it says we have failed and we ourselves are turning away from science and embracing superstition. Whats the meta message to the client?

Now with that being said, we can still respect their individual belief system and perhaps empower them by giving them the tools to perform a cleansing if they think it will help resolve the haunting.
As a fellow therapist have you not considered the possibility that the client's haunting experience may be a external manifestation of their internal conflicts, fears, and neuroses? 

It is my sincere opinion that 98 % of the cases we have investigated are rooted in underlying psychopathology. All I'm saying is.............if they want to use these superstitious remedies that's fine. Give them a handout about the folklore surrounding how to cleanse and let them do it.

You know I love you John and respect your opinion. I'm not attacking you or others who might share your concerns or see me as the proverbial stick in the mud. Nothing like a good debate with good friends like you and all of our members. Bottom line is....this post is just my opinion. Nothing more!


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Sharon K. West on April 04, 2010, 06:06:08 PM
In the way of just discussing ideas and not anything personal toward anyone, how I view these things is that the same mindset that put scientists in prison and even in fear of their lives for theorizing about concepts that were opposed to the church's view of the day, can also be found on the other end of the spectrum where a scientist's mindset is that there is nothing true other than what I know and everything other than that is wrong.

The rituals of anointing, prayer, and whatever else are actually based upon the same kind of principals that psychology puts forth when you get right down to the root of it. Shamans deal with things in an ancient way which impact people psychologically. It's almost like these things are saying the same things only in a different "language."

If a person is able to "own" their space simply through their inward thoughts and attitude, is that not the same as "owning" their space through the outward use of a symbol of ownership, such as a prayer? The person utilizing simply what is within themselves also makes use of rituals in their thought life to reinforce these positive ideas and make them a reality. But which one is wrong? If we say either one is wrong, it makes the other one wrong as well.

I just think that we don't fully know yet, and we can't throw the baby out with the bath water in the process of learning.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Julie Welcher on June 16, 2018, 05:58:48 AM
It's very important to pray before and after an investigation. You never know what you're going to encounter. It's vital to protect yourself and your team. There are things that are in this world that we don't understand yet. As investigators we understand the risks and dangers we could face. So with that protect yourselves in connection with your higher power.


Title: Re: Prayer for Protection prior to an Investigation.
Post by: Brian Parsons on June 16, 2018, 08:54:16 PM
Thank you, Julie, for you input on this question. Although this thread stretches back eight years it's still a topic of discussion among teams as well as the individuals within them. For some, like yourself, this is a necessary aspect of investigating ghostly situations. For others, the act serves as an extension of their belief systems and creates a bit of circular logic. In others words, if one prays for protection then they see it as the fear of being followed, hurt, possessed, or what have you is truly real. If they don't pray or don't believe in protection then there is nothing to fear since this will not affect them.

It honestly doesn't matter what you do prior to an investigation, the important thing is to not be fearful or allow your beliefs/fears/expectations to dictate your actions, reactions, or emotions during an investigation. If you truly believe you can be followed home or injured it can truly make things difficult in your life outside of investigations. The best bet is to know you are truly in control no matter what is said or not said before heading out.